The Truth About Vaccines: Alternative Schedule

January 1, 2010 at 8:14 pm (Anti-Vaccination, Richard Halvorsen) (, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , )

Having blogged about the introduction to Richard Halvorsen‘s book The Truth About Vaccines, and the early chapters on Vaccines and Autism and Mercury in Vaccines, I will now jump to the end of the book for my next post on Halvorsen.

Background

At the back of the book, there is a section that includes Halvorsen’s “alternative vaccine schedule”. Halvorsen suggests a possible alternative vaccine schedule available on the NHS and another available at his Babyjabs clinic.

Given that Halvorsen has consistently criticised the multiple vaccines such as MMR in scaremongering articles in the press and interviews on the radio as well as in the book in question, it would be a surprise if many (or perhaps any) of his readers did take up the alternative schedule based on the vaccines available on the NHS.

Surely they would be more inclined (asuming they believed the scaremongering of Halvorsen) to opt for a schedule that allowed them to choose single vaccines. That is, if they could afford it.

Here’s the Babyjabs schedule:

3 months DTaP [3-in-1]
4 months Hib + Meningitis C [2-in-1]
5 months DTaP [3-in-1]
6 months Hib + Meningitis C [2-in-1]
7 months PCV
8 months DTaP [3-in-1]
9 months PCV
12 months Hib + Meningitis C [2-in-1]
13 months PCV
15 months measles
18 months polio
20 months polio
22 months polio
2 years measles (only if negative blood test after first dose)
4 years dT + IPV [3-in-1]
12 years rubella (only girls)
12 years mumps (boys, possibly)
15 years dT + IPV [3-in-1]

Here’s the cost of the vaccines (information accessed on Halvorsen’s own website, 1st January 2010):

Vaccine Cost of vaccine
Consultation with Dr Richard Halvorsen £90 (for 30 minutes)
Telephone consultation £100 (for 30 minutes)
BCG (BCG Vaccine SSI) £80
Mantoux test (pre BCG) £90
Tetanus (Tetanol Pur) £95
DT £105
DTaP (Infanrix) £99
DTaP (Daptacel) £99
IPV (Imovax) £85
Diphtheria (Diohtherie-Adsorbat-Impfstoff Behring) £95
dT (Td RIX) £95
dT-IPV (Revaxis) £70
Hib (Hiberix) £88
Men C (Meningitec) £75
Men C (Menjugate) £75
Hib-Men C (Menitorix) £115
Pneumococcus (Prevenar) £105
Chickenpox (Varilrix) £95
Hepatitis B (Engerix B Paediatric) £75
Hepatitis B (HBvaxPRO) £75
Rotavirus (Rotarix) £115
Measles (Rouvax) £95
Rubella – German measles (Rudivax) £95
Mumps (Mumpsvax)
This vaccine is currently unavailable

Financial Cost

For a girl, the cost would total £1637 at these prices and for a boy, the cost would be £1542 (excluding the mumps vaccine which is listed as “unavailable” at the time of writing).

That is the cost purely in terms of the money parents would need to spend. However, the real price to be paid might be in terms of illness, hospitalisation, or serious complications arising from infection with a vaccine-preventable disease.

Possible Repercussions

Halvorsen’s schedule does not include MMR, gives the rubella vaccine only to girls and only at the age of twelve, and does not currently include the mumps vaccine. This could potentially have serious repercussions.

Instead of being vaccinated against rubella at thirteen months, girls would be unprotected until they were twelve years old and boys would remain unprotected.

This would mean that pregnant women who were not immune to rubella for whatever reason would be at risk of rubella infection – something that can lead to their baby contracting congenital rubella syndrome. It’s worth looking at the manifestations of CRS to get an idea of how seriously this should be taken.

As the mumps vaccine is unavailable, parents who follow Halvorsen’s schedule would be putting their sons at risk of infection with mumps. Infertility and subfertility are not unknown following mumps infection. The abstract of this paper includes the following:

The authors noted significantly low (p less than 0.05) contents of ejaculate spermatozoa in subfertile males with a history of mumps and a significantly low number of morphologically normal spermatozoa (p less than 0.001) in comparison to those values in subfertile males without a history of epidemic parotiditis.

Then there’s this:

The study presents results of an investigation on male fertility after mumps infection without clinically manifested mumps orchitis. […] Out of 20 patients 12 were fertile, while 8 were subfertile.

And that is just from using the single measles vaccine instead of MMR. Children would also be exposed to other vaccine-preventable diseases for a longer period of time – and they would be exposed unnecessarily.

Pneumococcal infection, polio and Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) are just three of the diseases that children would be exposed to for longer (Hib for just two months, but pneumococcal infection for five months, and polio for sixteen months).

A Conflict Of Interest

Dr Richard Halvorsen has a clear conflict of interest when discussing vaccination. When parents read his views in our national newspapers (I’ve written before about Richard Halvorsen‘s comments in the Times, Sunday Express, and Daily Mail) or hear about his views on the radio – for example on the Today programme on Radio 4 – they should be reminded that Halvorsen has such a conflict of interest.

At present, it seems to me that Halvorsen’s competing interests in the form of his books on vaccination and his clinic are only mentioned in order to plug them – rather than to warn readers / listeners of a conflict of interest.

More

Also of interest to me in this section of the book, Halvorsen refers to measles as “a relatively harmless illness to which we had adapted successfully” – something I would certainly argue with. Measles is no less deadly now than it was in the 1980s when 90 people in this country died from the disease.

55 Comments

  1. uberVU - social comments said,

    Social comments and analytics for this post…

    This post was mentioned on Twitter by jdc325: The Truth About Vaccines: Alternative Schedule: On a conflict of interest relating to Dr Halvorsen’s alternative va… http://bit.ly/87l9nm

  2. draust said,

    There’s only one thing to say, really, isn’t there?

    Kerrrr-chiiiinnnng!

    Contemptible. And ditto the idiots at the Mail and Distress (and elsewhere) who use him as an “expert”.

  3. Cybertiger said,

    Contemptible! This word sums up the world of Draust just perfectly. [Expletive deleted.]

  4. jdc325 said,

    Thanks for the comment Dr Aust.

    Cybertiger – I’ve deleted the abuse directed at Dr Aust in your comment. Please do not abuse the other commenters here.

  5. draust said,

    Goodness – ShabbyTabby is still around!

    Or perhaps he’s back for the New Year.

    Or it may just be that he’s got a lot of time on his hands these days.

    Since you’re such a fan of his, have you considered asking Halvorsen for a job, Shabby?

  6. HolisticGuy said,

    Vaccines = POISON

  7. jdc325 said,

    Well thank you for giving us the benefit of your considered opinion, holistic guy. Please can you tell us why you think vaccines are “poison”, whether you think that the risks outweigh the benefits, and what evidence you have for your views?

  8. draust said,

    Black = WHITE
    Day = NIGHT
    True = FALSE
    Good = BAD

    …just trying to contextualise that idiotic:

    “Vaccines = POISON”

    statement…

  9. Neuroskeptic said,

    Some vaccines do indeed contain preservatives that are poisonous, to bacteria. So I reckon HolisticGuy is a bacterium.

    Or being charitable, an amoeba.

  10. wakeupplease said,

    For those with an open mind Dr Chopra’s video provides an interesting view of the so called scientific community.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6558018788602619012#

    For those who feel it is beneath them to consider his testimony as evidence. After all it is only anecdotal, not random and not doubkle blinded, the jist of it is….

    : “what has happened to science, all over the world, how corruption in science has taken over universities, university research, government research and pharmaceutical and chemical companies are ruling the world.”

  11. draust said,

    Rather than “WakeUpPlease”, I think the appropriate response to that last comment is

    *snore*

    Anyway, here’s anecdote in return: I’ve never had a penny of funding from the pharmaceutical or chemical industry in 25 years in biomedical research, and precious little from any tax-funded research body.

    But… according to Dr Deepak’s thesis I am corrupted, while his own vested interest in making millions upon millions of dollars snowing people with his mystical flapdoodle (and having them buy his “real medicine bad, quantum wellness good” nostrums) is completely whiter-than-white.

    Hmmmmm.

    Actually, one of the ways that you can identify true sceptics, like Ben Goldacre and Prof David Colquhoun, is that they are equally hard on the Pharma Industry AND on the purveyors of Alternative Quackery.

  12. Cybertiger said,

    What a larf, Draust! You’re a real comedian!

    “Actually, one of the ways that you can identify true sceptics, like Ben Goldacre and Prof David Colquhoun, is that they are equally hard on the Pharma Industry AND on the purveyors of Alternative Quackery.”

    “Ennui”

    Draust is a funny clown, if a rather boring comic.

  13. wakeupplease said,

    Dr Aust

    But… according to Dr Deepak’s thesis I am corrupted, while his own vested interest in making millions upon millions of dollars snowing people with his mystical flapdoodle (and having them buy his “real medicine bad, quantum wellness good” nostrums) is completely whiter-than-white.

    If you took the time to look at what he’s saying you would see that it is the system which is corrupt. I have no doubt that there are many within it, including yoursel,f who are ethical and honourable. The issue is that it is money which drives the medical systemand and its research, and there is no doubt that drug companies are awash with thes stuff so it hardly surprising they are are pushing an agenda which suits their ambitions.

    As for you going on about Dr Chopra I think you should take a check on his identity.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Chopra

    Regards

  14. Neuroskeptic said,

    If you actually read any of our blogs you’d know that we’re the harshest critics of Big Pharma out there. Actually, maybe not the harshest, we do at least tend to write coherent English and avoid allcaps which limits the amount of vitriol we can express – but we’re certainly the most coherent.

  15. Neuroskeptic said,

    Cybertiger: There’s a thing called humor – keep working at it – it’s a tricky concept but you’ll grasp it eventually!

  16. Cybertiger said,

    To say that vaccines are poisons is almost as fatuous as saying that vaccines are safe – obviously something that Dr ‘black’n’white’ Aust would fatuously say.

  17. Mulberry said,

    Cybertiger – have you anything at all to say on the post about Halvorsen, or do you just wish to demonstrate again how peurile you are?
    PS: Isn’t your own MMR due soon?

  18. Dr Aust said,

    As all the writers on the Bad Science scene repeatedly emphasize, the key issues with vaccines is benefit vs. risk. However, the benefits (avoidance of nasty infectious diseases) vastly outweigh the risks.

    Having a medical degree Cybertiddles ought to know this, and it has certainly been repeatedly pointed out to him (and to other anti-vaccine people) in all sorts of online forums, including at the British Medical Journal.

    Of course, if your entire worldview is a combination of:

    (i) juvenile insults; and

    (ii) sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting

    “Nyeeeh neh ne nyeh nyeh, I can’t hear you”

    – then perhaps your ability to process information cognitively is a bit limited.

    Finally, sorry I got the wrong Dr Chopra -, jumped to the conclusion it was Deepak of that ilk, not surprising given his ubiquity in Alt.Reality world. However, that does not change the fact that sceptics, scientists and many doctors are well aware of the corrupting influence of the more unsavoury activities of the Pharma industry. That is why we do our best to bring it to light. But to simply condemn the entire process of biomedical research because it can be distorted is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

  19. Cybertiger said,

    Oh no, not more fatuous cobblers from draust!

    Draust’s got his sticky fingers stuck in his lugholes and he’s shouting … “Nyeeeh neh ne nyeh nyeh, I can’t …. hear anything about the risks … and I don’t want to either … cos I’m a bad scientist”

    Prat! Childish prat!

  20. Neuroskeptic said,

    You’re hallucinating again, mate. You’re also attributing your own actions to those of another person – classic delusion of thought insertion. My diagnosis: schizophrenia.

    And being a dick.

  21. draust said,

    Cybertugger

    Oh dear. I guess you don’t understand the phrase “risks vs benefits”,as I already suggested. Or maybe you’ve got your hands over your eyes, as well as your fingers in your ears.

    I was thinking particularly of BMJ threads like this one, where a real infectious disease consultant (Dr Peter Flegg) goes through the real numbers (you know, risks vs. benefits?) and shows why they overwhelmingly support MMR vaccination.

  22. Cybertiger said,

    How nice of little neokrasstic and dreary draust to provide some more light entertainment. And as for goons, look no further than Dr Peter Flegg (aka bad science’s own DeeTee) …

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/dec07_2/b5248#227470

    … always reliable when it comes to putting on a comedy show. And here he is howling at the moon …

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/dec15_1/b5432#228427

    What an howling arse! What arses all!

  23. draust said,

    Snore.

    ShabbyTabby, you really don’t get irony, do you.

    And, to borrow a phrase, it is clear from his writings that Dr Flegg has forgotten more about infectious disease, vaccines and vaccination than you will ever know.

    Do you have anything to offer apart from the increasingly dull spectacle of your publicly playing with yourself?

    Thought not.

    Be careful not to give yourself a repetitive strain injury. Though given your penchant for imaginary causation and imagined illnesses, perhaps it would be just up your street.

  24. Cybertiger said,

    TeeHee! Drippy Draust is howling at the moon. What a loon! Tosser!

  25. draust said,

    Stubbytugger, your wit and wisdom has won the day. I leave the floor to you.

    Or perhaps I could have said “QED”

  26. Cybertiger said,

    Drippy Draust’s draws are on fire. No wonder he’s thrown in the (soggy) towel.

  27. Benji said,

    CYbertiger talks alot. Never actually says anything.

    How on earth did he get one of those medical degrees? Still I guess if you have the money to waste its quite easy…www.ukessays.co.uk

  28. Neuroskeptic said,

    I bet he’s actually jdc325 winding us all up. OK, it was a good one while it lasted but srsly, it’s not funny anymore.

  29. jdc325 said,

    From the email address supplied and the style of the posts, it does seem to actually be Cybertiger himself. I’ve never banned a commenter before, but if Cybertiger continues to abuse other commenters and derail threads with childish ad hom I think I might have to in order to address the deteriorating comment threads on vaccination.

  30. Cybertiger said,

    Poor Neurokrasstic! Like Dreary Draust he’s now feeling the heat in the underpant regionals. Dunking the tender nethers in iced water should dampen those synaptic squibs and neural sparklets. Go for it, Arse!

    By the way, the sparkling DeeTee (aka TeeHee, alias Dr Peter Flegg, junk-science guru to the Maharishi Glaxacre Ben) has been caught lowering the tone of debate at the BMJ … by howling tonelessly at the moon … the loon.

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/dec15_1/b5432#228828

  31. Cybertiger said,

    PS. I note Jack of Kent has ludicrously referred to Drippy Draust as a ‘polymath’. Is this a polite way of saying he has a multiplication problem – or simply multiple problems with adding and taking away?

  32. Cybertiger said,

    Go on, jdc523, you know you want too. Go for it, ….

  33. Cybertiger said,

    “Jack of Kent Said: “the fab @jdc325 Bad Science Blog Hero””

    Deluded twat: that knave is ‘avin a larf … and so am I … out loud … ho, ho, ho. Go on, jdc235, you know you’re dying to. Go for it, …

  34. Benji said,

    does he have nothing better to do. I suppose being unemployed takes it s toll after a while.

  35. Becky Fisseux said,

    I believe Dr Struthers describes himself as a “Doctor working in the secure environment”. Presumably that means he’s been banged up or simply locked away for the good of public health.

    Kind regards,

    Becky

  36. Neuroskeptic said,

    He claims to have a medical degree, if he’s got any kind of degree at all I’ll buy a hat and eat it.

    I really will. Come on, pics or it didn’t happen.

    Didn’t think so.

  37. draust said,

    “Doctor working in the secure environment” could well mean in a prison.. though not as an inmate. Prisons often employ a GP a few sessions / wk. I’m told that experience of both substance abuse and mental health issues is useful..

  38. Cybertiger said,

    I wonder if Herr Dreary has been talking to Frau Draust.

  39. Cybertiger said,

    And here at last is Dr Peter Flegg (aka DeeTee) finally explaining why he yowls at the moon like a looney lunatic.

    http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/339/dec15_1/b5432#229094

    “Finally, I used the “howling at the moon” analogy to demonstrate that doing something which cannot harm patients is not necessarily in their best medical interests if it is done as an alternative to providing conventional therapy which is demonstrably effective, albeit with the potential for serious side effects. At the end of the day, everything boils down to risk-benefit analysis.”

    Take the MMR as one example: how does one do a serious risk-benefit analysis when one doesn’t know the risks (or the benefits) for anyone let alone the individual … and the corporate jabbers are doing all in their power to carry on jabbing … whatever. DeeTee is making himself a larfing stock with his persistent yowling. Sad, really!

  40. Neuroskeptic said,

    MMR: Risks: trivial; Benefits – not getting measles, mumps, and rubella. You: idiot.

  41. Cybertiger said,

    MMR: Benefits: as trivial as the diseases; Risks: serious if your kid happens to die. You: crass tic.

  42. jdc325 said,

    Cybertiger – unlike others, you do not back up your claims with evidence. Simply stating something does not make it true. Evidence, please.

  43. Neuroskeptic said,

    Measles, mumps and rubella: not trivial.

    MMR: has killed 1 kid, ever. Evidence, please, if you believe differently. My evidence: a pubmed search for MMR + fatal + adverse returns 6 hits: 3 irrelevant, 1 about a 15-year-old girl who got ill after having the vaccine aged 9 months, 1 about someone with AIDS who got given MMR, and 1 about a kid who died after MMR: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7275679

    Your face: my ass.

  44. draust said,

    Quite, Neuro. These are the kind of stats Peter Flegg – who ShabbyTabby seems to have elected to his weird personal Demonology, alongside Roy Meadow – explains rather painstakingly in various forums, like the BMJ, CiF etc. If anyone reading wants an example – you know, proper discussion of real statistics -try the link in comment #20.

    Alternatively, you could accept random uninformed assertions from CyberTwaddles, a man clearly in the grip of bizarre and paranoid conspiracy theories. And with a tendency to “talk” like a twelve-year old.

  45. Cybertiger said,

    Banging on pathetically about the ‘evidence’ again, jdc523? You’re obviously a tiresome tic too!

    Sally Clark went to prison for life on the evidence, even the sort of evidence where any doubt was considered entirely unreasonable.

    Don’t you understand: evidence is what big tics and tossers say it is? All tiresome tics and tossers can just fcuk off.

  46. Neuroskeptic said,

    I’ll give you one thing, Cybertiger, you are persistent. You just don’t quit. You’re like herpes.

  47. Benji said,

    Who is he? Some disgraced/struck off doctor. Who cares.

    Lets ignore him. I’ve yet to see a post where he uses an adult arguement.

    Im sure he’ll carry on regardless, but if we let him get on with whatever delusions he has at least he won’t be getting off on it!

    Richard Lanigan, who I generally disagree with (depending on the topic), at least presents some form of arguement, even if usually flawed. Shabby tabby has never once managed that. Quite an achievement for the amount he does post.

  48. Cybertiger said,

    How can one argue with someone who cannot even spell out the argument. Twat!

  49. draust said,

    Re. comment 48: *Cyber-snore*

  50. Benji said,

    Sorry CyberTiger, my use of the english language is clearly not as well refined as your own….damn, fallen down at the first hurdle and engaged again.

    ON second thoughts maybe he needs this form of interaction to give himself some sense of purpose.

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  55. Justice Coy said,

    Looking forward to reading more. Great article post. Great.

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